Steve D ([info]d_fuses) wrote,
@ 2006-07-02 03:24:00
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The absence of breakfasts
Jasper Fforde's third Thursday Next book begins with his detective character on a witness relocation program living inside a novel. One of the things she has to adjust to is the absence of breakfasts.

I think it's not that all fiction lacks breakfasts though, but pulp ones tend to. And it's a nice short hand to break down the difference between certain media - it's a summary of a kind of detail level, and a sense of humanity. Conan does not have breakfast. Luke Skywalker - no toast, muffins or hash browns. The reason Spiderman was such an influential superhero is because he was the first superhero to HAVE breakfast. Buffy has breakfast a lot...but Alias? No breakfast at all.

See where we're going here?

Now, when Bambra, Gallagher and the other guy came up with the Warhammer fantasy world, they had both roleplaying and wargaming in mind. And in their roleplaying ideas, they put in a lot of breakfast concepts. In fact, you could say that the whole difference between WFRP and D&D is that D&D lacks any breakfasts at all. NOT to impune D&D, but it has a focus, and it's away from breakfast. But WFRP - it's all about the breakfast. That's really a huge part of why it rocks.

BUT when they came to do 40K, they didn't have to do any RPG elements. Instead they focussed on wargaming, and producing a world where wargaming was the lifeblood. The result? No breakfast. Not in the 40K world. Sure, the intensity is done so over the top it can't help but be silly at times, but it's the kind of silliness that's played dead straight. If it wasn't, it wouldn't work.

But point is: 40K has no breakfasts. Inquisitor Antioch has no muffins before crushing a planet beneath his feet, except to demonstrate contrast between the two activities. That is to say, any breakfasts appearing would be epic breakfasts.

Now there's nothing wrong with this at all. As I said, D&D has no breakfasts, and neither does Vampire. A lot of great games have no breakfast (and one of the nice things about Shadowrun is it swung both ways, which is also possible). But WFRP was all ABOUT the breakfast. So the 40K RPG, when we see it, is probably not going to be to the 40K wargame what WFRP is to WFB. It won't bring the breakfast in. Nor do the wargames match that much to begin with.

What I'm taking a very long time to say is that 40K is a very different aesthetic to Warhammer. Much less humour, no history, no sense of grift and graft, a far less humanistic and breakfast-based approach, replacing it instead with a kind of passion play focussed on the virtues of men under fire shining more brightly in the hell that they find themselves in. It's going to be really interesting getting my head around that and making it work for me. To go from breakfasts to passion: that's my task.

Wish me luck!



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[info]archangelonline
2006-07-01 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I'm pretty sure Sydney Bristow was having breakfast in the Season 4 episode in which her house gets raided. (I watched it the other day, but I may be wrong.)

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[info]archangelonline
2006-07-01 06:27 pm UTC (link)
But yeah, I get your point. If it's not an intensely emotional family-related crisis, they tend to skip over it to get to the cool tech and the shooting people.

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[info]kinra
2006-07-01 06:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm slightly sad about this because the very best 40k fiction has been the stuff where you read a Space Marine's daily routine. This routine includes 15 minutes of "their own time" that Space Marines have "in order to contemplate the magnitude of their duty to the Emperor."

They did this because Roboute Guilliman once said to shaken troops, in the heat of battle, "CONTEMPLATE THE MAGNITUDE OF YOUR DUTY TO THE EMPEROR ON YOUR OWN TIME! RIGHT NOW I NEED YOU WITH ME!"

So they decided to implement that. Because, of course, it immediately became Guilliman's Tactics and consequently Holy Writ.

That was still there in the 3rd ed. Codex, but not in the 4th ed. Codex.

4th edition of the wargame is getting progressively grimmer and more humourless. I'm looking for the life in 40k to make me care again. When even the humans are aliens, the whole game gets pretty alienating.

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[info]anarchangel23
2006-07-01 09:23 pm UTC (link)
Okay, colour me confused. What exactly is this breakfast which WFRP has which all those other games do not? At first I thought you were talking about humour, but WFRP is pretty grim and humourless, then I thought you meant a realistic grounding the mundane details of life, but I think Vampire has that (I've been in a game where half of the game-time was taken up with finding "breakfast", which, for a vampire, is pretty mundane. Incidentally, D&D is pretty much a generic fantasy system, I would expect the setting books to provide the breakfast.

Dammit! Now you have my subconscious making up sentences with breakfast, as if it understands, and won't tell me!

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[info]jody_macgregor
2006-07-01 10:09 pm UTC (link)
Breakfast = the mundane. Ordinary, small elements of our lives that are sometimes absent in heroic fiction.

Also, WFRP =/= humourless. Grim, yes. Humourless, not at all.

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[info]littlestkobold
2006-07-01 09:39 pm UTC (link)
Are you alluding to a possible 40k gig? If so, congratulations! If not, well, plenty more breakfasts at the buffet bar ... ;-)

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[info]dalziel_86
2006-07-02 12:52 am UTC (link)
Phillip Marlowe has breakfast.

And I'm pretty sure the characters in Ian Watson's 40k novel 'Space Marine' do too. Ian Watson's novels are pretty much essential reading if you're writing 40K stuff.

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[info]d_fuses
2006-07-02 02:28 am UTC (link)
Fair enough. I don't know there won't be breakfasts, this is just where my head is at right now.

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[info]jody_macgregor
2006-07-02 02:59 am UTC (link)
Maybe you can squeeze in a light brunch.

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[info]d_fuses
2006-07-02 03:54 am UTC (link)
This is why we work so well together!

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[info]vaxalon
2006-07-06 08:41 pm UTC (link)
Philip Marlowe characters have breakfast, but it usually comes in a bottle or a glass and it's usually had at around 2pm.

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Interesting post
(Anonymous)
2006-07-13 06:52 pm UTC (link)
I guess it's all to do with the GM of the game. I recently ran a GURPS game where breakfast, lunch, dinner were eaten by the PCs. It was a very small part, just a mention, but a small detail like this does add depth to the game.

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D&D has breakfast
(Anonymous)
2006-07-25 02:20 pm UTC (link)
D&D has breakfast. It's called Heroes' Feast.

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